Shahid Bhat @ Rajesh...
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I am not blaming all Indians for what happened in gujarat or anywhere else....I was just trying to make a point to Max.......But indian government cannot wash off their hands so easily from all the things that have prevoiusly happened in india and the gross human right violations in kashmir in the last 63 years esp since 1989.............
Irfan Ahmed Bhat i am very thankful to the views expressed by my brother rajesh pattanaik here , the views expressed by mr pulkit and ms snehankita are somewhat disturbing and in pretty bad humour
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@ pulkit tripathi u have to understand first of all that no one in Kashmir wants to join Pakistan. Pakistan might be a failed state impoverished and way behind India in many aspects . unfortunately even it has a better human rights record that India as far as minorities are concerned .
secondly the growth of india is a good factor as long as u talk about capitalism. but unfortunately india's hyper growth is only at the cost of the poorest of the poor ( here too the below poverty line figure is way above Pakistan in terms of population)
well i have to tell u this my friend if u are thinking that size does matter ( i hope u dont take this comment in its other meaning ) as India being a big country lemme enlighten your views.
Hong Kong and Singapore are not even a dot on the map of the globe when compared to India but u will be surprised they are both far better economies than india ( and both have zero natural endowments ( resources ) not to mention the Asian tigers like Malaysia et al ( btw malaysia is a muslim majority state like brunie and the uae < if ur comments might mean that all muslim majority states are failed ones.
kashmir compared to these places has many many natural resources available and is self sustainable.
@ mr jaoquim kenneth . India has to let go of Kashmir for its own good one day or the other and a lot many more when it starts to disintegrate like the Erstwhile USSR . we should not forget that there are currently 17 conflict zones well within India, but it is a matter of time and we all shall know ( remember india as a single nation has a history of only 63 yrs, while as it not being one entity is hundreds of yrs )
regarding Afghanistan being a failed state thanks to the power hungry Russians and the US it is currently in this state . the afghan's haven't entered into any country but have rather been invaded.
@ snehankita . well i dont say that the Indians are mad---- just ignorant .u are right when u say first let go of Kashmir and then other states , it is bound to happen. And u are right agian when u say that u give a lot of importance to Kashmir, but u have to tell this to ur leaders at New Delhi. Ask them y have so much military and all sorts of ammo in Kashmir ( territories like the siachen glacier ( where there are not even any inhabitants ) ask them to stop wasting hard earned money that comes via taxes ( not many ppl in India pay honestly, unfortunately the black money might even be more than the GDP)
on wrong positions and egoists thoughts and make it good for the people of India. The money that off course remains after filling their coffers ( too much corruption na)
i feel for the blockade of the manipur highway. and yes Kashmir is not part of India in actual terms ( 23 resolutions in the united nations speak volumes about its status and so does the promise of a plebiscite by Mr J.L. Nehru the first PM of India. and yes u can stop NDTV to us it is more like a mouth piece of the govt of India bringing their puppets in Kashmir on the panels. and ignore the human tragedy in Kashmir .
P.S whether Kashmir is independent or not for now is not an issue, what is important is that a solution in the interim is definitely required to stop the human tragedy.
common good thinking Indians how would it feel if a mother cant decide to send her child to play confused whether (he/she) will return home or fall to an aimed or stray bullet that comes form the gun of forces of the so called biggest democracy in the world
Saddam Zaroo a very well shaped discussion...a must see for all indian's with any misconceptions about kashmir...ill keep up with it..for any questions or answers...
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Rajesh Pattanaik @Irfan but don't u think these violence must end first......so that dialogue can be started...not with pakistan but with kashmiris .....and yes separation of kashmir will definitely start a chain reaction of separate country demand n may be violence all across India....so the process of separation should be through peaceful talk not through violence......
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Definiely yes, the violence has to end but from both sides...u cannot expect people to be silent spectators when shot at and cane charged and beaten to death.....My point is why doesnt India allow Kashmiris to protest....what is the need for putting police and paramilitary forces on the roads and streets to stop them......much has happened in the last 50 days inthe valley, people are very angry over a host of reasons and they need a vent to blow off their anger...why not let them come out and protest....but the problem is Indian state does not want to give any politicla space to kashmiris and then we are left with no other option but violent protests.......and one more important thing.....strife in the last 23 years have taught kashmiris one very important thing which I hink all kashmiris here will agree with that.... It needs a bang to wake india up...Irfan Ahmed Bhat @rajesh---------
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dear rajesh no one in his right mind will ever support violence and i too do not approve of violence in any form now having said that who according to you is the major element in all this violence????? ok let me put it this way how do u expect a father of a nine year old to behave when the security forces BEAT his kid to death. How to u expect a brother to behave when his teenage sister is shot in the head just because she comes on the road to look for his brother amid violence. how do u expect a father do behave whose dead son's body is canned and kicked .
i cannot think of a rational answer. i cannot make myself think that after witnessing such events one can think with a very rational mind and not vent his/her anger.
to further clarify do u remember when 4 youth were shot dead in sopore the DIG CRPF came up with an explanation that they were TRYING to set ablaze a police vehicle and were out of control. Ironically on the same day MCD employees were protesting in dlehi and SET ABLAZE four police vehicles HOW MANY OF THESE UNRULY PROTESTORS WERE SHOT ?????????????????
Jayaram Ramakrishnan What these people forget is they came scurrying to us when Pak attacked in 1947 under guise of Tribal invasion. Had J.Nehru not gone to UN our forces would have completed restoration of entire Kashmir & POK would never have materialised. And for all those AZADI dreamers beware PAK will never tolerate an indep Kashmir. The marginalisation of Shabir ahmeds & amanullahs & rise of Hafez, Saludins & Maood azhar should point the dreadful scheme of things to come if Kashmir is handed indep. Also it would become a nightmare to the INdian security apparatus. And if these elements take ctrl friends u cannot be writing this bullshit on Facebook.
about a week ago · ReportShahid Bhat @ jayaram......I think you would defintely have heard the phrase.."little knowledge is dangerous"...you need to learn a bit about the history of kashmir and what happened in 1947.....Well to begin with kashmiris never asked India for help and secondly it was not an attack by pakistani tibals as is propagated....Have you heard about poonch rebels....I dont think so......I cant really give you take a whole tutorial here but what I can do is give you a link....an indian webpage, not a kashmiri or a paki page, which will help you learn in detail about kashmir in a chronological order.........
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http://www.indiatogether.org/peace/kashmir/intro.htm
You will have a lot of your questions answered with all the info on this page and if you still cant get it, that would mean you deliberately don't want to get it......
Lastly hafiz syeds, salahudins and others have only risen because Kashmir has remained unresolved....when Kashmir is resolved INshaAllah there would be no need for any hafiz or salahudin.......it will bring a new era of peace not only for Kashmir but for India and PAkistan as well........
Alessia Degano I am a little afraid of taking part in this discussion, standing as i am on the other part of the world, and having no knowledge enough of the facts in a precise historical vision nor justified by a personal experience (apart from that of sharing thoughts and closeness to my Kashmiri friends).
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But i'm ashamed enough of the ignorance of what's going on in Kashmir the media in my country kindly grants me, and i'm tired enough to verify day after day more how much nothing counts more than some interest or comfort to be preserved against any fundamental human right and, most of all, human respect.
It scares me to consider how easily minds can be diverted, confused, deluded by contrasting issues concerning any topic. No wonder why misinformation is one of the most effective strategies - used since eones - to turn Difference into a trouble, rather than a richness (as in fact is). According to this point, the truth always has two faces.
What has a unique side instead is the fact there is no scope for violence, bleeding nor death in a reality where we stand in front of each other as human beings. A reality in which every one has the freedom to be who he is... with no gun pointed to his head, nor held in his hand.Shahid Bhat @ Alessia.....Very well said....It is most unfortunate that global media is controlled and owned by a very small group of people who decide what should be presented to people as trutha nd what not...what should be made to look important and what not....what should be made to look dangerous and what not.......These are the people who have changed media from being a free and fair source of information to a money minting machine that has become mouth pieces of governements or organisations who are of interest to this elite group.This group not only helps governments and sometimes others to lobby and campaign around the world but also chooses for them what to say where and how.......Unfortunately Kashmir resolution is of least importance to that elite group and its unresolved status might be a lot more important for them...A resolved kashmir dispute means better relations between Indo Pak which in turn means lesser spending on military hardware and a more stable and strong South Asia. A resolved Kashmir means no cries of jihad from many Muslims in the region which in turn means a lot more attention to the war in Afghanistan which US is losing rapidly. With Kashmir being the way it is, they not only have the prospect of doing great business with their owned media whether in India or Pakistan, which seems to be on war footing just like their armies, even though it is owned by the same elite in both the countries, they also make sure both the countries remain dependent on them for a awful lot of things.......and the politicians in both the countries are making money by the minute and saoking in the glory of their fortunes and their public's misfortune.....
last Saturday · Delete PostJayaram Ramakrishnan OH what an intelligent argument. We are not so naive MR Bhat. Do u believe the Deobandis & Wahabis will stop when Kashmir issue is resolved by gv independence. NO that is not bound to happen. INstead it would give a boost to their twisted ideology. They would consider it a victory for their ideology & stary targeting another part orf the country like Junagadh or Hyderabad. Ther is only one way to treat this cancer & that is to uproot it from its roots. If u Kashmiris are with us in this we would be happy if agst us them too we shall do it & u will bw treated as enemies. For us Kashmir is part of a larger problem & one of the last bastions agst ISLAMIC TERROR.
last Saturday · ReportShahid Bhat @Jayaram......First of all there are no deobandis and Wahabbis in Kashmir, second of all stop propagating the RSS line and make kashmir which is purely a political problem into a religious one and finally you are not here to discuss or debate the Kashmir issue but to point out a RSS bajrangi agenda.......You are welcome to ask any questions regarding the strife in kashmir or to post your views on the topic, not to propagate RSS idealogy....u can keep that to yourself and lastly as advised before start reading some history
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Banerjee Avik Why separetist Kashmirer r not contesting election , n come to power peacefully ?
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First of all people in kashmir are not fighting for a change in government and if anyone form the separatist camp participate in elections they would be condemned by the general public and would meet the same fate as mainstream parties meet now.....The problem is India has kept its masses ignorant and misinformed about the factual situation in kashmir, It is not a fight to come to power but it is a fight to get our basic rights which were guaranteed by the UN in 23 resolutions passed by it and agreed by India and Pakistan.......which says that Kashmiris should decide for themselves through a fair plebiscite held under UN what they want.......this right has been denied to us for 63 long years and nothing has been done to adress the aspirations of Kashmiris. In turn India has tried to kill this sentiment by force and by installing puppet regimes of Abdullahs and Muftis in kashmir who more so represent delhi in srinagar rather than representing srinagar in delhi. There is a complete alieantion as far as public in kashmir is considered and no one trusts anyone from delhi or their representatives in kashmir.
Secondly and most importantly, the birth of the present day struggle which came into being in 1989 was after seperatists did try to participate in elections and vouch for Kashmir in the indian parliament. In the elections of 1987/88 separatists took part in assembly elections under the banner of MUF and took Kashmir by storm, fearing it would lose its puppets in kashmir, delhi rigged the elections and declared NC the winner after which kashmiris lost all hopes of a Kashmir solution through this process and took to guns instead.......after 20 years of military fighting it has given rise to a new style of fighting for our basuc rights which you see now on the streets of the valley.Peace in kashmir will not return unless india sincerely admits to kashmir being a dispute and talks to all the parties concerned which includes Kashmiris for a final and long lasting olution to the issue. It is time for India to come out of self denial and educate indian public, civil societies and the politicians regarding the actual situation in kashmir and address the issue head on rather than running away from it.......after all it is a matter of millions of kashmiris and their right to existence.....Banerjee Avik India is afraid of another separation, n leaders r apprehansive of d violence after ward.
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Millions of kashmirers are every where in India n doing resonably well,what'll happen to them.? India does not want a repeatation of 1947 .
Now Who r Kashmirsrs ??????
What is the defination ???Alessia Degano @ Shahid ... Thank you for your reply to my post. It's indeed a pleasure to try and understand better the situation as it really is by your words.
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The most interesting point in what you wrote is that it seems through out the world we share a common vision, or if you prefer an implicit knowledge, about this small group of people "playing chess" with normal people's lives to increase their power feeling, bank accounts and who knows what else.
Now what i am wondering about is: will we ever be able to turn globalisation from a simple economic factor into a social awakening? 'Cause you see, we'll keep on being puppets in the hands of someone else if we don't ever stop, start thinking... and become aware.Irfan Ahmed Bhat @jayaram
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well u seem to talk much about Islamic terror and i can say without a figment of doubt that u must be a Representative of a newly emerged word called saffron terror. what ever and how ever u might want to refer to Kashmir it does not take away the fact that the entire world refers to Kashmir ( as Indian adminsteerd Kashmir ) and not as an Indian state as u are trying to convey. with the little knowledge and sheer arrogance that u have i suggest that u look at the map of India particularly and arunanchal pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir in the rest of the world it is clearly mentioned as disputed territory . i cant tell u what is going to happen to Kashmir in the near future but i can assure u in the distant future it shall be a free entity as many other states in India the day china decides to take arunanchal pradesh india would be doomed after all it has been moving by a few kilometers every year into what u might define as Indian territory and India can only deny it and not even accept the fact that china is doing so though all the Indian media channels have been talking about it after all in front of the Chinese India is nothing but a non entity that it the can strike at will, the question now is when do they decide it and let me tell u for sure that u will have to build a lot many lavatories that day cos all the Indian armed forces can do in front of the Chinese is pee in their pants lolJayaram Ramakrishnan Mr IRFAN pls be careful of ur language. While castigating individuals like me is fine & shows ur immaturity one cannot tolerate villification of the Nations Armed forces. People of ur ilk who do not even have the guts to show ur full profile in facebook dare not talk about the Indian Armed forces which unlike the PAK or the CHINESE is a one of the FINEST PROFESSIONAL ARMIES in the world. As someone who has visited the Border Chinese posts with China I can vouch for the fact that our forces are respected by their Chinese counterparts.
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And now why are u relying upon Chinese help for ur own nefarious actions. Better that u people try becoming a bit more self reliant rather than depending on Chinese & Paki help
As far as Saffron terror goes pls note "A HINDU CAN NEVER BECOME A TERRORIST". Is there a single instance of a HIndu taking up arms fighting for secession from the country on Religious grounds any wheree across the World. The saints & savants conquered the World thru their High words & deeds(Eg SWAMI VIVEKANANDA) unlike people of ur ilk
Muzammil Waseem @snehankita ...Dont hurt sentiments of kashmiri people with these comments...you should go through the history of kashmir then write comments...you should read this....http://www.kashmir-information.com/chronology.html
last Sunday · ReportShahid Bhat @Jayaram.......The problem with you is that you can anything and everything about kashmir and kashmiris, Islam and the muslims and still call yourself a proud secular indian, while as we in kashmir and minorities in India are very well aware of the pseudo secularism and pseudo democracy of India.........people who didnt even spare unborn foetuses in Gujarat were not terrorists they were saints according to you and people who have killed more than a hundred thousand men women and children in kashmir are Demi Gods.......and how professional and respected are your defense forces was exposed when Canada denied visa to them on the basis of their profession and I m sure you know what they called them......
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We all know India is not perfect ,it is a big country with so many diverse people.
By codeming others we reach nowhere.
We may stop calling names n respect others view points.
Religions n country created by men only,
Those who preaches love n unity r remembered.
Do not devide people.
Saurabh Bhatia Hey all !! I am just a student and no interest in politics. I just want to say whatever happening in Kashmir is bad, watever happening in India is bad. Marathi's wants separate land, states like Mizoram, Manipur. nagaland want separate land, kashmiri wants separate land .... wow .... everyone want separate land ...@Irfan @Banerjee @Bhat @Jayaram @Waseem and others violence, blood, killings is common in India because here we don't respect people life. No commoin man like protesting or killings, we just want peacfull life but some politicians for their existence spread these protests and all..... I just request to all that stop isulting each other... this life is too short for love so hatred has no place... yaaron jeeyo aur jeene do... this life comes once so enjoy to full and give respect and take respect ... bye all ... God Bless all !!
on Sunday · ReportBanerjee Avik @Saurabh ,most of Indians r like you. they live n let live. ...
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Everywhere discontents.... As if a separate land 'll solve all problems...
n everyone 'll become PM/CM n Lord... ???
BSF/CRPF r also human ,they r from poor families n doing duties.Shahid Bhat After a brief lull in the valley, indian in-security forces were on a killing spree yet again killing four innocent unarmed protesters and injuring well over 150.......and we are being told to live and let live......it is very easy to comment things like that from the comforts of your cozy bedrooms........For a while only see things from perspective of a kashmiri mother who has lost a son, a kashmiri father who has not been able to provide food for his children, a kashmiri brother who has not been able to provide a environment to his sister where she can go out without any fear, a kashmiri sister who is always at the doorstep waiting and praying that her brothers return home safe.......Be a Kashmiri just for a while and you will see how much has life changed for us...............
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Friday, August 13, 2010
Ego or superiority in the region....why isnt India letting go Kashmir
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I have a question. What regions are you including when you are referring to Kashmir?
I have a question. What regions are you including when you are referring to Kashmir?
I have a question. What areas are you including when you are referring to Kashmir?
Kashmir is used to refer to the entire region of the state of Jammu and Kashmir as at august 14 1947.
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